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Paintrain

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 05:51:07 pm


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i have never saw it on there route map it surprised me they didnt have service or why they cant add it now

Indy

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 06:02:32 pm

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I believe the answer is yes. I'm 75% sure.

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Boofer

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:05:53 pm

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Yep. For quite a while they flew IND-LAS an IND-PHX.

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ATAIndy

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:06:00 pm

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They flew to Columbus for awhile too I think.

Why do my favorite airlines end up going defunct??

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stlgph

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 06:35:55 pm


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America West never flew Columbus to Indianapolis.

They flew Columbus to --

Atlanta, Dallas, Toronto, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Chicago Midway, Chicago O'Hare, Washington National, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York La Guardia, Hartford/Springfield, Boston, Newark, Orlando, and Ft. Myers.

Had they really wanted to get serious, they could have...they had a few missed opportunities by *not* offering nonstops to some of the top destinations from Columbus which include Kansas City, Denver, Seattle, San Diego, Houston, Minneapolis - St. Paul, and Tampa. America West, btw, for the most part, did well on these cities from Phoenix and Las Vegas.

AWA was losing about $20 to $25 million per year on the service from Columbus by the time 2003 rolled around. Ironically today a lot of the ERJ's that AWA was flying to some of their destinations from Columbus found themselves repainted under the Delta Connection livery and are still flying the routes today.

ATAIndy

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 08:21:22 pm

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Yeah, the day after AWA announced the closing, DL added 12 new flights. I found in interesting that there was flights to both MDW and ORD! Shocked

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7E72004

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 08:45:18 am


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Ok...i won't post the article because it is all over the news, etc. but what are your thoughts on this? I am somewhat split on this.

I think the merger would be a good idea because industry consilidation is something that many were aware of as a possibility. Plus, you have two large airlines that would merge and most likely cut capacity in the markets that would be "overserved" by the merged airline and hopefully make the airline industry or at least help make it a little more healthier. It would also give the traveling public a nice selection of cities, routes, etc. to choose from.

The couple of concerns i have are

1: the fleet-US is mostly airbus and DL is mostly boeing (or is all boeing). Wouldn't there be problems with that and would they try to revert to one or the other?

2: US is not even done with the merger with HP and a merger with DL would only add to a long process.

3: While i do think the Feds would be a little more "relaxed" in consolidation, wouldn't they still put up a "stink" (as well as the other airlines) in terms of the merged airline being a monopoly? After all, US and DL are probably the two biggest airlines on the east coast.

Talking about a bunch of hubs--CLT, PHL, ATL, JFK (not sure how much DL has built that up), SLC, CVG, PHX, LAS. Am i missing any?? *lol* Obviously, i think we would see some cuts in certain hubs-I think ATL and PHL would be the predominant ones (although PHL has to do something about the congestion because that is just going to only get worse). CLT would be cut down, CVG would be cut down a little, and i am not sure about the western hubs.

Any thoughts? comments? Smile

Indy

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:38:32 am

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I give this a 1/100 chance of happening.

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7E72004

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:42:48 am


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I would give it a better chance than that *lol* Grinstein is a jackass and would not know a good thing if it hit him square in the face. Granted it would take a lot to interate the two airlines, especially since the US/HP merger is still in the process. But, it was/is just a matter of time before we see consolidation and i think this is a good example. Plus, notice how Parker's aim is to the creditors and not necessarily the others.

Indy

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:52:56 am

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Imagine if they somehow convince the shareholders and creditors that this is a good thing and get that settled. How do you convince the U.S. government to let this go through?

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7E72004

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:12:34 am


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If this was back during the time when US/UA tried to merge, i would say it would not happen. But i think everyone, or at least most people, including the Feds, realize that there needs to be consolidation. I don't think this would create a monopoly...the merged airline (US/DL) would still not be bigger than American. Parker has already indicated one of the Northeast shuttles would be sold and other flights dropped as well as some of the hubs being cut back.

ATAIndy

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:11:20 pm

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While mergers are good for the airlines merging, I personally don't like them because they create expensive fares on certain routes. Plus, I like to see a wide difference of airlines. It would be sad to see some more gobbled up in mergers. So, its probably a good thing this merger has a slim chance of happening.

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7E72004

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:22:08 pm


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I think it has more than a slim chance...fares while getting more expensive, are still pretty reasonable. Plus, there will always be low fares to be found, one may just have to look a little harder. And as many analysts have said, consolidation is going to happen, whether it is US/DL or DL/UA or NW/DL, etc. I don't think some people give Doug Parker enough credit...he is one person who actually knows what he is doing. Look at the US/HP deal. Some thought it would be a disaster, but they are doing pretty good.

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