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nope.

go here http://www.worryfreevacations.com/ and you can book individual seats between Las Vegas and St. Louis, amongst other markets.

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Isn't Champion a scheduled charter service, though? That puts them under a different kind of FAA operating license. Not that it makes a difference to what we're talking about here, but Champion is more like that Fly Aloha Whatever airline that we discussed a few weeks back. They don't have to follow all the same rules as a regular airline, including rules about compensation for bumping, rerouting, refunding of tickets, etc. Allegiant, on the other hand, is a regular airline - the 34th largest domestic airline in the U.S., AAMOF, with 0.35% domestic market share.

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is there a link to the rankings of domestic carriers i didnt think there where that many airlines unless they count like republic orcomair and all those regional carriers like those

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stlgph wrote:

nope.

go here http://www.worryfreevacations.com/ and you can book individual seats between Las Vegas and St. Louis, amongst other markets.

I see it now. Interesting.

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Good! We're on the same page! Took us long enough!

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Paintrain wrote:

is there a link to the rankings of domestic carriers i didnt think there where that many airlines unless they count like republic orcomair and all those regional carriers like those

I actually go to the transtats web site, access the database, dump out the info I'm looking for, create a pivtot table and sort it by pax numbers. Sounds complicated, but it's not. And to answer the question, yes - the rankings include all the regional carriers. They have to include them, because they are technically independent airlines with their own FAA licenses, reporting requirements, etc. But it makes it interesting, IMHO, because an airline like Chautauqua will fly regional routes for more than one mainline carrier. Great Lakes, for another example, flies for both UA and Frontier out of Denver alone. So it really puts a carrier like Allegiant into perspective when you consider that they're smaller than many of the regional carriers. To save you the trouble of yanking the database, here's the list, ranking airlines by domestic market share. Keep in mind that this is only domestic flights, which is why Southwest ranks first on the list. Most rankings you see include the domestic origins of international flights, which is why American is usually ranked first.

Rank Airline July 2006 Domestic Pax Domestic Market Share
1 Southwest Airlines Co. 8,767,479 14.39%
2 American Airlines Inc. 7,033,467 11.54%
3 Delta Air Lines Inc. 5,804,479 9.53%
4 United Air Lines Inc. 5,333,649 8.75%
5 Northwest Airlines Inc. 4,186,989 6.87%
6 Continental Air Lines Inc. 3,211,750 5.27%
7 US Airways Inc. 2,766,839 4.54%
8 AirTran Airways Corporation 1,955,752 3.21%
9 America West Airlines Inc. 1,883,544 3.09%
10 Skywest Airlines Inc. 1,709,162 2.80%
11 JetBlue Airways 1,671,123 2.74%
12 American Eagle Airlines Inc. 1,650,927 2.71%
13 Alaska Airlines Inc. 1,496,890 2.46%
14 Expressjet Airlines Inc. 1,458,933 2.39%
15 Mesa Airlines Inc. 1,182,298 1.94%
16 Atlantic Southeast Airlines 1,073,516 1.76%
17 Comair Inc. 974,019 1.60%
18 Frontier Airlines Inc. 885,281 1.45%
19 Pinnacle Airlines Inc. 780,139 1.28%
20 Chautauqua Airlines Inc. 610,567 1.00%
21 Hawaiian Airlines Inc. 565,001 0.93%
22 Horizon Air 562,032 0.92%
23 PSA Airlines Inc. 475,519 0.78%
24 Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp 473,069 0.78%
25 Midwest Airline, Inc. 369,443 0.61%
26 Spirit Air Lines 359,515 0.59%
27 Trans States Airlines 341,384 0.56%
28 Mesaba Airlines 335,395 0.55%
29 Aloha Airlines Inc. 324,584 0.53%
30 Shuttle America Corp. 311,662 0.51%
31 Piedmont Airlines 284,223 0.47%
32 Republic Airlines 256,551 0.42%
33 ATA Airlines d/b/a ATA 234,246 0.38%
34 Allegiant Air 215,677 0.35%
35 Freedom Airlines d/b/a HP Expr 150,610 0.25%
36 GoJet Airlines, LLC d/b/a United Express 135,703 0.22%
37 Colgan Air 133,582 0.22%
38 Sun Country Airlines d/b/a Mn Airlines 121,338 0.20%
39 Cape Air 82,670 0.14%
40 USA 3000 Airlines 82,217 0.13%
41 Skyway Airlines 80,158 0.13%
42 Executive Airlines 77,206 0.13%
43 Island Air Hawaii 74,614 0.12%
44 Great Lakes Airlines 46,943 0.08%
45 Era Aviation 41,808 0.07%
46 Gulfstream Int 32,469 0.05%
47 Peninsula Airways Inc. 27,909 0.05%
48 Scenic Airlines Inc. d/b/a Scenic Airlines 27,485 0.05%
49 Air Midwest Inc. 25,381 0.04%
50 Continental Micronesia 22,347 0.04%
51 Frontier Flying Service 18,394 0.03%
52 Regions Air, Inc. 14,422 0.02%
53 Kenmore Air Harbor 12,846 0.02%
54 Hageland Aviation Service 12,797 0.02%
55 Big Sky Airlines Inc. 12,460 0.02%
56 Casino Express 11,900 0.02%
57 Seaborne Aviation 11,732 0.02%
58 Sky King Inc. 11,404 0.02%
59 Boston-Maine Airways 11,287 0.02%
60 Omni Air Express 10,502 0.02%
61 Grant Aviation 9,041 0.01%
62 Freedom Air 8,018 0.01%
63 Miami Air International 7,393 0.01%
64 PM Air, LLC 7,036 0.01%
65 Ryan International Airlines 5,941 0.01%
66 Bering Air Inc. 5,632 0.01%
67 Warbelow 4,329 0.01%
68 Wings Of Alaska 4,240 0.01%
69 Pace Airlines 3,752 0.01%
70 L.A.B. Flying Service Inc. 3,452 0.01%
71 Venture Travel LLC d/b/a Taquan Air Service 3,227 0.01%
72 Pacific Wings Airlines 3,194 0.01%
73 Yute Air Aka Flight Alaska 3,045 0.00%
74 Wright Air Service 2,558 0.00%
75 Sierra Pacific Airlines 2,556 0.00%
76 Smokey Bay Air Inc. 2,474 0.00%
77 Vieques Air Link Inc. 2,442 0.00%
78 Skagway Air Service 2,405 0.00%
79 Homer Air 2,388 0.00%
80 Iliamna Air Taxi 2,309 0.00%
81 Caribbean Sun Airlines 1,944 0.00%
82 Aerodynamics Inc. 1,728 0.00%
83 Spernak Airways Inc. 1,568 0.00%
84 Island Air Service 1,184 0.00%
85 West Isle Air 924 0.00%
86 Servant Air Inc. 902 0.00%
87 Alaska Seaplane Service 788 0.00%
88 North American Airlines 766 0.00%
89 World Airways Inc. 588 0.00%
90 Inland Aviation Services 510 0.00%
91 USA Jet Airlines Inc. 476 0.00%
92 Ameristar Air Cargo 385 0.00%
93 Arctic Circle Air Service 271 0.00%
94 Tanana Air Service 248 0.00%
95 Tatonduk Flying Service 232 0.00%
96 Grand Canyon Helicopters 120 0.00%
97 Victory Air Transport Inc. 89 0.00%
98 Ellis Air Taxi Inc. 49 0.00%
99 Netjets Large Aircraft Company L.L.C. 48 0.00%
100 40-Mile Air 40 0.00%

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Is that numbers per annum from 2004?

What is interesting about Allegiant is that if that is for 2005, at those numbers, figuring in that they were basically operating 13 daily flights (on average), they were running at 94% load factor capacity on each flight...average.

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stlgph wrote:

Good! We're on the same page! Took us long enough!

I am tempted to call the number and ask about the "same day - same cost" service as Allegiant.

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why? you can just book them online.

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because I want to question the Allegiant thing.

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13 flights a day? something doesn't seem right about that!

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stlgph wrote:

Is that numbers per annum from 2004?

What is interesting about Allegiant is that if that is for 2005, at those numbers, figuring in that they were basically operating 13 daily flights (on average), they were running at 94% load factor capacity on each flight...average.

Those numbers are from July 2006 only. So it's just a snapshot from the most recent full month for which there are data in the database.

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That would put their load factor then roughly at about 91%