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Indy

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 07:16:22 am

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Are the IND-ATL flights doing that bad? I know I've never heard a good thing about the route as far as delays go. But what was supposed to be 6x daily is now only 4x daily and will be only 5x daily this summer. So what are they up to? The way it stands right now they'd be using 4 gates this summer for...

5x ATL
3x MCO
2x TPA
2x RSW
1x LAX
1x SFO

14 flights and 4 gates? Does this sound strange to you?

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rw175

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 08:52:16 am


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C1 and C2 are exclusively AirTran, but they share C10 with Southwest. From what I understand, C4 is also either going to be dropped or shared as a common use gate at some point.

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Indy

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 05:35:36 pm

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I know C10 is used as a common use gate and FL has maybe 1 or 2 flights a day that use it. They are under contract with C4. Not sure when that contract is up. Unless the contract was renegotiated when they picked up the contract to start using C1.

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wanderer

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:41:01 am


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I would bet it is seasonal...

stlgph

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 02:23:14 am


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How many 737's will be coming through is the question....

Indy

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 09:18:17 am

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I think more and more of the jets here are 737's when it started as all 717's when FL started building the schedule.

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stlgph

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:23:13 pm


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i think i've said it before, but i might be willing to go on record to saying that AirTran will ultimately be moving established and proven stations to all 737's and moving the 717's elsewhere ... Indianapolis being one of these cities that will see the move.

AirTran's been around Indianapolis long enough, they could probably make a go of it. ATA filled larger 737's when they were in shop here...

Indy

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 02:19:51 pm

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I wonder if this is as big as FL is going to get here?

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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 09:38:22 am


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FL still has plenty of 737s to take delivery on and since it looks like the deal with Midwest is not going anywhere, i would not be surprised to see some expansion here in IND in the coming year or two.

Indy

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:42:18 pm

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I wonder how much expansion here was put on hold because of the attempt to grab YX? Honestly I don't know what their obsession with YX was outside of grabbing some jets. IND is in a better location and has a better market than MKE. This market is booming while the Milwaukee area has been pretty much stagnant for 30 or 40 years. In 18 months they'd be able to have themselves as many as 10 gates here. If they were serious about expanding and making this into a real hub you could see them in a couple of years beyond that having an additional 10 to 20 gates for far less than it would cost them in ATL. And the traffic loads here would ensure greatly reduced delays.

IND passengers have been accustomed to LCC fares and service which is not the case for MKE. Having a hub here would allow them to boast about providing connections in the newest airport in the nation with quick transfers and reduced delays. If they were to get serious about travel to the Caribbean they could also advertise speedy immigrations and customs screening compared to huge facilities like ATL. IND would be much more passenger friendly.

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stlgph

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 01:35:14 pm


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Give it up with Milwaukee versus Indianapolis already.

Indy

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 06:54:40 pm

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stlgph wrote:

Give it up with Milwaukee versus Indianapolis already.

Probably right. The Milwaukee market is falling further and further behind the Indianapolis market each year.

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stlgph

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 02:48:28 pm


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if you think Indianapolis can support a hubbing airline, think again. Milwaukee is in a much better position than Indianapolis.

Indy

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 05:45:15 pm

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There is a huge difference between hubbing an airline like AirTran with 100 flights a day versus what CLT is doing with US and their 600 or whatever flights a day. A FL hub doesn't compare to the others. DL has a hub in SLC and CVG. NW has one in MEM. US has one in CLT and something like one in PIT (over 100 flights a day). FL is no big deal.

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Indy

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 05:47:57 pm

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stlgph wrote:

Milwaukee is in a much better position than Indianapolis.

BTW how is Milwaukee in a better position? IND o/d is already better than theirs. The margin was something like 1 million passengers served. The margin will only get larger as the IND market continues to boom.

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stlgph

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 09:10:23 pm


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We've been over this countless times already.

Just remember ... Indianapolis versus Milwaukee?

Milwaukee wins.

Note that.

Paintrain

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 09:20:28 pm


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this is a good debate i think whever gets n/s to europe 1st is better

Indy

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 09:37:50 pm

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Milwaukee wins what? They have a smaller market. Smaller market growth rate. Smaller O/D. Where do they win anything? They have beer, cheese and customers loyal to YX. We have...um.. corn. Mr. Green

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stlgph

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 02:28:12 pm


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Apparently you don't listen. Ever.

Or think. Half the time.

Look at the Midwest schedule from Milwaukee.

See all the communities around Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. that are having commuter service funneled into the airport?

Then see the schedule of flights coming and going from the airport?

Do you see that schedule of flights coming and going from the Indianapolis airport?

Nope.

What happened to US Air back in the 1990's? See ya, bye bye.

Did the plan to hub ATA here work? Nope.

Are there communities that can be funneled in and out of here? Not really. The list of capabilities is very small as compared to what Milwaukee is geographically more convenient to. These routes to Milwaukee are proven and established. Routes to and from Indianapolis are not.

ATAIndy

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 03:15:42 pm

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I agree with stlpgh here, I mean just look at the route map of Midwest and its commuter alone compared to all of IND and you can see MIL's potentional.

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